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Classic OPM artists without articles, 2025

It was a year since I raised this issue about what was a huge number of classic OPM acts of the 70s, 80s and 90s missing WP articles, and I haven't have much updates on that since. Now for 2025, one of the big OPM artists of the 80s, Gino Padilla, would be on concert with other major 80s OPM stars like Pops Fernandez, but him lacking WP article still strikes me about how badly held back our coverage of Pinoy pop music, both classic and contemporary, is. Er, We still don't have articles for some other 90s OPM acts such as Jerome Abalos, Jeremiah, Men Oppose and Grin Department, to name a few. Looking for the music task force to take on it, but I have little interest on editing OPM-related content since then (much of my music-related efforts now is with 70s, 80s and 90s Canada top 40 and easy-listening/AC chart hits). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 01:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I have been relatively inactive in the past few weeks due to personal constraints, especially since the school calendar is coming to an end. But I may help in creating articles for some of these artists in the school break.

Pinging the task force members (@Titopao, @D-Flo27, @Relayed, @Borgenland, @Royiswariii) to take a look in this. AstrooKai (Talk) 01:31, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I've just created an article for Gino Padilla. Apparently there used to be an article for him, but it got deleted quietly 2-3 years ago. Anyway, feel free to add more sources.

I think that'll be all the Filipino music articles I'll create for now, as things are about to get busier for me irl in the coming weeks. So anyone else can take the other requests. D-Flo27 (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Guestings as part of filmography

Are entertainers' guestings in a talk show part of their filmography lists? IMO I doubt so, unless there's broader consensus to include these guestings as part of the entertainer's filmography. See, for example, Will Ashley (actor)#Television (his guesting in Fast Talk with Boy Abunda is listed). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:11, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

In Hollywood, it's not consistently applied. Cameron Diaz must had been in countless late night talk shows, but Cameron Diaz filmography doesn't list those, but does list her appearance at The Drew Barrymore Show. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

If I'd be honest it's basically cruft that needs to be purged especially given the state of Philippine show business. Maybe a guest appearance would gain a pass if it's notable e.g. the infamous SNL stunt by Sinéad O'Connor, yet her filmography doesn't list it. To put it another way, a brief mention of an actor's notable guest appearances could be written into the prose but not to the point of going undue with them. Blake Gripling (talk) 23:46, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Re: SNL, Diaz's filmography lists her SNL appearances, buy maybe because she hosted 4 times. There's no set rule to this, and maybe a discussion at the appropriate WikiProject should be done. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough, though imo I think only those guestings of note would be worthy of inclusion. Blake Gripling (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines

I'm not convinced this is the best title for this article. The article was started in 2023, but it has matured into an actual trial. There may or may not be others indicted, however, so not sure adding only one name in the title is right either. Wanting some feedback here before I consider starting a discussion on changing the title. I don't really have a preferred title in mind, it is just that the current title seems cumbersome and maybe, just maybe, insufficient. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:33, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

It follows the naming convention of the other ICC investigations. Let's have International Criminal Court investigation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo for example which had several trials held in relation to it. If we are going to follow the precedent. A new section Prosecutors vs. Duterte will the very least be added to the current article and so on for possible future arrestsHariboneagle927 (talk) 00:49, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

The article title strikes me as awful. I'm no style maven, but I see looking here and [[[WP:AS| here] that the Philippine drug war article currently has about 80,000 words and, with 15,000 being the guideline point above which it "almost certainly should be divided or trimmed", perhaps consider adding a short Aftermath section there and retitling the article of interest, Aftermath of the Philippine drug war as a WP:SS detail article for that larger topic, with appropriate changes in presentation and the addition of an ICJ trial section, and work on further summari8zing that larger article by splitting off other detail articles. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:13, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Limiting to 80k words isn't a good path. A huge portion of that article is citations, almost 400 of them. Add the external links and other portal info, and those portions alone are larger than some articles, so arbitrary limits on size aren't helpful. I do expect that the "Arrest" article will eventually get retitled, to either "Arrest and Trial" or just "Trial" in some way. Staying on topic, it's just difficult at this stage to know how the sources will frame the incident. Until the arrest, the International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines title was cumbersome but accurate. Either we leave it as is, and all updates go into the "Arrest" article (which will eventually become the "Trial" article) and just put a paragraph or two, with a link to the main header, or something else. I think that is part of it, how do we best organize not just this one article, but the events. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 08:38, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

(inserted) Sorry, I wasn't clear. I linked AS and botched an intended link to Xtools in my earlier comment but didn't mention their names in my comment as rendered. The 80k figure came from the Prose section of the Xtools results for that article. The 15k figure came from the guidlines in AS. From the info in AS, I believe that the 80k figure does not include the references wordcount. I've re-run a modified version of that article currently sandboxed at User:Wtmitchell/sandbox, and it still reports about 80k words in the article prose. I am aware that many articles exceed the guidelines in AS, but this is not a good place to discuss whether those guidelines are still appropriate and, as I said, I am no style maven. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh about the Aftermath of the Philippine drug war. I've tried limiting the scope of that article (see move discussions for that article). But there is no consensus about it because noone agrees when the drug war ended. Officially it is still ongoing, but without the national government sanction of the EJKs of Duterte's era. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I was reading other articles, and Laurent Gbagbo was the last head of state to be arrested. There's no specific article about his ICC investigation/case/trial and he was eventually acquitted after 3 years.As for Duterte, presumably investigations are still ongoing (these don't end once the suspect is in custody). Presumably by September we'd have a clearer view and if the case goes om trial, we'd havw Trial of Rodrigo Duterte. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:12, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

That is kind of what I'm guessing, but does the "Arrest" article get merged in? Assuming it goes to trial, it seems superfluous to have a separate Arrest article. For that matter, if it was dismissed (which I think is unlikely), that change everything as well. It will be a big article, and likely some of the arrest details will get pushed out if we do. There is no rush on any of this, I'm just trying to map out the future a bit, and get plenty of input ahead of time. Often, articles are started as a reaction to events but that doesn't always mean they are mapped out properly on the fly. Again, I don't have any fixed opinions here, I just want us exploring ideas before others start moving titles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:23, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

The Arrest article should remain very clearly scoped, focusing on the arrest and subsequent political/legal debate about it, rather than on anything broader relating to the ICC case. Those Philippine political debates are somewhat tangential to the ICC case, and updates on the trial should be added to International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines rather than the arrest page for that reason. If a separate trial article becomes viable, it would likely be split from that article rather than the arrest article. CMD (talk) 03:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

It isn't often a former president gets arrested (well, ok, maybe more often in PH than most), so we don't have a lot to judge off. I would think the Arrest article would have to get merged into the Trial article, no? And where does that leave the ICC article? That's what I mean, I'm not sure how many articles we need. Maybe all of them and more, maybe not. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 05:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

The arrest is an event in itself; we even have arrest articles of lesser individuals. If you think it's not notable, send it to WP:AFD. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

No need to be that way Howard, I said I don't have fixed ideas. We typically have articles combined that cover the arrest and trial together, but this is a lot more complicated, so there isn't a singular, clear cut answer. I didn't bring it here to convince anyone to delete anything, I brought it to get some ideas. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:17, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

There are clear distinctions between the arrest and trial in this case, for example being carried out by different entities, that make them a bit more unusual. There may be specific impacts of the arrest that have nothing to do with the trial, and the trial may not be affected by the manner of the arrest. CMD (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

We literally have Category:Arrests of individual people. We also have Category:Trials. Both can coexist. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:15, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I already know that, but many arrested don't have trials, many trials have very uneventful arrests, etc, so I already know both can exist. I've been here a while.... I'm not advocating, I'm asking what is the best path forward, and I'm asking way ahead of any actual discussions on those pages, to get ideas and to see how the Project feels about it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 06:30, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Kadingilan Poblacion

This has been unreferenced and not updated in 15 years. Please add reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 20:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

That should never have been created per non-notable Barangay rules in the first place. Borgenland (talk) 01:37, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Like how many barangay articles such as this exist? Howard the Duck (talk) 02:16, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Hmmm... Category:Barangays of the Philippines by province seems incomplete. Bohol, for example isn't listed there, but I see wikilinks to articles on barangays. Ditto in List of barangays of Metro Manila. Is there a more organized approach to answering that question? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:30, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

You can check out each subcategory one-by-one. For example, in Category:Barangays of Albay, there is one article, Batan Island, Albay, which apparently is an article about an island, where there are 4 barangays, one of which is named Manila (LOL). I'd assume there'd be a few more similar cases.

Another example, in Category:Barangays of Metro Manila, is Embo, Taguig, which is actually the 10 barangays included in the Makati–Taguig boundary dispute (as an aside, this should be moved back to its original article title "Fort Bonifacio boundary dispute" as there's still Pateros vs. Taguig vs. Makati court case). So we have at least 2 articles on supposed barangays which are not. So now, we have articles which are supposedly about barangays where they are not. This muddles up the original question further. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:39, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, I suppose it was never planned to have each province a category of its barangays, as the stand of most people here is that barangays are not notable. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:43, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

It seems that the article was written based on this essay, which is also linked on Kadingilan Poblacion § See also. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

At the look of it, it reads like some copyvio condensed from some school assignment or some LGU website and some commentary. Borgenland (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree. Imo, I would rather have this article AfD-ed than finding sources for it. It has been a norm for barangays to be non-notable. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:40, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kadingilan Poblacion. Borgenland (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Alex Eala

Need advice on including latest upsets in 2025 in Philippine sports. Borgenland (talk) 03:24, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd suppose only tournament wins should get in that article. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:26, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

With her being defeated in the semis, I suppose it's fine for her to be added om that article. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Done. Will update once her rankings finally change. Borgenland (talk) 13:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Marikina

With the Ombudsman massacring Marcy Teodoro and 14 members of the city council (see [1]), who is left to fill in the infobox for Marikina? Borgenland (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

It seems that the vice mayor and 4 other members of the council were not suspended, so they'd be the ones that will be acting mayor and vice mayor. They should also do what was done with the Alice Guo case. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

[2] Marion Andres was also suspended. Forgot to identify VM as head of the council. Borgenland (talk) 02:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Then the councilor left with the most votes in 2022 becomes the acting mayor (as Marikina has 2 districts this is based on percentages). We'll have to wait on the DILG for that though. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

TV5's television programs needs to update in progress

Hello, this is Icarus. Some of the TV5's programs needs to be collaborate for expansion and planed to create a possible drafts. Because some editors are busy in doing a lot of academic goals (especially me) or may inactive members didn't participate as well. Due to a lot of raising concerns, I'm here to see the checklist that may planned to create the draft article titles starts by the month of April and possible finish by the month of September:

• Healing Galing
• TikTalks
• For the Love – must be disambiguated as "TV program"
• Woman in Action
• At Your Home with Anthony and Maricel
• Gus Abelgas Forensics
• Kapatid Mo, Idol Raffy Tulfo
• Spingo – must be disambiguated as "game show"
• Top 5: Mga Kwentong Marc Logan
• Be The Next: 9 Dreamers – currently a draft
• Ang Himala ni Niño
• Jack and Jill sa Diamond Hills

Let me know if those editors and contributors are interested to create for the expansion and update the related articles with providing inclined sources. That's all, thank you so much. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 01:45, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:DYLA-AM#Requested move 17 March 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:DYLA-AM#Requested move 17 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 10:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)